Paul Dini ([info]kingofbreakfast) wrote,
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I saw the new screen version of CHARLIE AND THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY and didn't like it much. Though the filmmakers insisted they were keeping closer to Roald Dahl's original book than the 1971 film, they forgot one key fact -- the same one the first flick's creators ignored. In the book Willy Wonka is an old man, sort of an aged sprite if I remember correctly. At least that's my memory of Wonka's statue in London's Madame Tussaud's Wax Museum, which was based on illustrations from the book's first printing. As people over forty have been banned by current Hollywood from appearing in movies as anything other than parental stooges, background action or occassionally, villains, hiring an actual septugenarian to play Wonka was, of course, out of the question. To suggest that Wonka be portrayed as the Yoda-like imp he was in the book, indeed, to suggest he be shown as anything other than a perpetual youth is tantamount to blasphemy. I can hear the studio execs now: "We've got kids coming to see this flick for god's sake! It's bad enough they have to endure that old fart Santa Claus once a year, let's not make Wonka a codger, too!"

I remember as a kid raising an eyebrow at the youth of Gene Wilder as Wonka in the first movie, but I wound up embracing the character anyway. There seemed to be a playful wisdom at work behind everything Wonka did, as if he not only somehow secretly handpicked each of the Golden Ticket winners but spent hours devising traps (and thereby sobering life lessons) for them. Wilder's Wonka seemed like an adult who had never lost a child's perspective of adults, and therefore knew how to skillfully parody them while walking among them. He dressed in the clothes a child might choose to give himself an air of wealth and worldiness among grown-ups, and even spoke to them on a semi-intellectual level until it dawned on the mystified adults that what they heard was an earful of nonsense and veiled insults. Yet Wilder also made Wonka an obsessive workaholic who saw human relationships as an impediment to his creative genius. It wasn't that Wilder's Wonka disliked children (though he clearly didn't care for the four out of five he invited in) but he had simply created a world where he had no time to have any kids of his own.

I bought that Gene Wilder's workaholic Wonka, as well as his aged counterpart in Dahl's book, had sacrificed family to follow their candy-coated muses and wound up, in part, regretting their choices. An old man looks back on his life and mourns that he has no family. Hence the elderly Wonka's search for an heir has gravity. Johnny Depp, on the other hand, with his Bettie Page bob, perfect teeth, ivory skin and Marilyn Manson fop attire, looks thirty, tops. If the latest Forbes poll of fictional wealthy characters can be believed, Willy Wonka ranks alongside Santa Claus and Scrooge McDuck as one of the world's richest individuals. So given that the new, impoved Wonka has money, looks and youth, what's keeping him from scoring a babe? He's too screwed up to get himself a wife or even adopt a kid as a single parent? Hell, if Bruce Wayne can do it...

An old shut-in giving out golden tickets as one last bid for immortality I buy, at least in the context of Dahl's original. But the idea of a young and we assume, virile Wonka not even attempting to forge a relationship in order to secure an heir I find harder to swallow than one of his own everlasting gobstoppers.

I also find fault with Wonka "re-imagined" not as someone who is in supreme control of his self-created world but a clueless prisoner of it. In the new film I never got the idea that Wonka was particularly smart or that he was always several paces in front of the other characters, which he always is in the book. His best scene comes early in the picture, in a flashback where Wonka shares a bit of chocolate-making magic with his then-employee, Charlie's Grandpa Joe. Sadly that bit of happy interplay is missing from the rest of the picture. Watching Depp smile like a Jerry Mahoney dummy and say "'Kay" or "that's weird" to the actions going on around him made him seem like he never knows what is going on in his own factory, nor does he really care. He seems like a pampered, sequestered celebrity who has been one from birth, so detatched from common folks that his reactions to the mishaps befalling his young visitors barely warrants a shrug. Nothing wrong with that if that was part of Wonka's put-on, but I got the idea he truly didn't care about anyone but himself and actively enjoyed torturing the five kids.

Which begs the question, why did Depp's Wonka want to give away his candy factory to a child in the first place? It's clear from the outset he hates kids, so I suppose forcing one to take stewardship of his nightmare sugar palace would be the cruelest blow of all. Violet Beauregard got off easy, first being turned into a blueberry and then a cross between a Slinky and Smurfette, compared to the horrors that innocent Charlie Bucket will soon face as the ward of Depp's capricious, bratty man-child. The film's ending hints at this as Charlie's humble shack is transported, filth and all, to the center of Wonka's chocolate room. Though Director Tim Burton attempts to create a scenerio where Wonka makes peace with his own childhood and essentially "grows up" to accept other people, Wonka ultimately forces them to meet him on his terms only as the movie suggests with its contrived and creepy fade-out.

I suppose my real problem was with why this movie was made at all. The 1971 film is great, a perfectly good translation of the book to the screen, unhampered by the screwy logic that Willy Wonka needed a traumatic backstory in order to flesh out his character. Wonka is a trickster, like Br'er Rabbit or Bugs Bunny. He's smarter than everyone around him and slyly waits for the arrogant or the violent to do themselves in. The trickster is justice in the form of a deceptively weak or seemingly foolish character. If you take away his tricks, or try and overexplain them, he becomes very ordinary very fast.

This device may work for a character like the Wizard of Oz who really is a humbug, but it's death for Wonka, who is the real deal. Also, I object to Burton's movie because it is part of a growing trend of remake for remake's sake. The current crop of studio execs, all in their mid to late thirties and all TV raised, look to the box as their sole source of inspiration. I recently had a Warner Bros. exec tell me as much, saying the fact that someone put a show on TV told him someone had faith in the original concept, thus it was a proven commodity, thus it was good. This being his justification for greenlighting the new STARSKY AND HUTCH and DUKES OF HAZZARD flicks, BTW.

WILLY WONKA AND THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY was not a TV series of course, but during the 70's and 80's it was shown so often on TV, particularly around Thanksgiving and Christmas, that it drilled itself into the minds of impressionable Gen Xers and so became "a classic" worth remaking. Or to reduce it to blunt studio logic, lots of people know the original, so if it flops, it's a failure of the original concept, not of the talentless lunkhead who had no other idea than to okay this rather limp remake.

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[info]weaktwos

July 25 2005, 03:55:19 UTC 6 years ago

I was very skeptical when I found out Burton was remaking Wonka. I loved the original, too, and felt that anyone attempting to remake it had promethean task on his hands. I had seen the movie trailer for Wonka in the theaters around the time the Michael Jackson trials came out. When I saw the New Wonka, the mannerisms, as well as the theme of "rich older man hangs out with children" gave me a case of the heebie-jeebies.

In short, if I see it at all, it will be via Netflix when it comes out on DVD.

[info]kingofbreakfast

July 25 2005, 05:09:52 UTC 6 years ago

Again, if Wonka had been an old, Santa-like man the fantasy wouldn't have seemed so creepy. I'm sure the producers did model their version of Wonka on Jackson, never figuring on the trail earlier this year. By the time the trial had started, the movie was well under way and they couldn't change anything. However that doesn't seem to be hurting its box office any.

[info]clemidia

July 25 2005, 06:29:16 UTC 6 years ago

How about writing The Adventures of the Sock Monkeys?

All there seems to be today for family fare are celluloid vehicles of remakes and other excuses for mass consumerism.

[info]kingofbreakfast

July 25 2005, 07:43:37 UTC 6 years ago

We'll see. I'm sure Little Rashy would love to have his life story told.

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[info]pricciar

July 25 2005, 07:57:21 UTC 6 years ago

I agree with your negative review of the new Wonka movie. Probably for some of the same reasons, and maybe for others. But, on a larger note I really agree with you on the remake for remakes sake that has been coming out lately.

I am curious about Bad News Bears, because I love Linklater. But. Why? I mean the movie is less dated today than it was 10 years ago- Long hair is popular among teens again.

I think the best remakes are remakes of films that were mediocre or a film that changes things so drastically it can barely be compared to the original. Ocean's 11 was fabulous. Lots of fun and probably even better than the rat pack version.

I will say this for Burton's Charie and the Chocolate Factory. Charlie was a really good choice for the role. And, Johnny Depp, while nothing like the Wonka from the book, had a few really amusing segments in the movie.

pat

[info]kingofbreakfast

July 25 2005, 19:25:03 UTC 6 years ago


I gree with you on Ocean's 11, also with elements of Depp's performance. I just think Wonka's character was badly conceived for the remake. All the little touches, like Willy chucking Mr. Salt's business card, and his fun flashback moment with Grandpa Joe are what made an otherwise drab character shine for me.

[info]bleeding_tree

July 25 2005, 08:16:22 UTC 6 years ago

I'm disappointed because I thought making a truer adaptation of Roald Dahl's book was a pretty legitimate reason for making a new film (of course, I also think making a truer adaptation of Robert Bloch's novel is an interesting reason to remake Psycho, too). As I saw more and more promotion, though, I kept getting a sense of exactly how untrue Depp's Wonka is.

[info]kingofbreakfast

July 25 2005, 19:14:57 UTC 6 years ago

The only reason for making this movie was money. In the last 34 years a cult sprang up around the original Wonka movie and the WB film execs thought if folks were spending $$$ to by it on video, they'll spend more to see a new version in the theatres. Besides, think of the merchandising tie-ins!

Of course, the new movie probably cost 120 million + to make, and will most likely level off at about 180 million. That leaves 60 million in profit which they probably could have realized anyway by holding the Gene Wilder version off the shelves for a couple years and releasing a spiffed-up new print to theatres. With few other family films out there, and nostalgia for parents who wanted to see the original in a theatre with their kids, Warners would have made that 60 mil back in a weekend without bothering with the remake at all.

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[info]playingrecords

July 25 2005, 13:39:49 UTC 6 years ago

my biggest complaint with the film is the fact that the original moral is completely glossed over. this version has charlie winning the factory because he helped wonka understand the importance of family. while the original film may have strayed from the book more, they made sure that the moral hit home. tim burton's flick just let it fizzle.

and frankly, kids need a lesson in moderation more than ever.

[info]kingofbreakfast

July 25 2005, 19:08:39 UTC 6 years ago


Yes, that's one more place where the movie derails for me. If Wonka is looking for an heir, he already understands some of the importance of family, even if his own wasn't very pleasant. In the book and first movie, Charlie wins on his own merits period, the same thing that made Wonka a success in the first place.

[info]pulsejenc

July 25 2005, 14:08:06 UTC 6 years ago

hi Paul :)

:)

Glad to see you joined the craziness!

jen
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[info]chaodai

July 25 2005, 14:19:35 UTC 6 years ago

i checked out...

...on mr. burton's work right after "planet of the apes." and that was a few movies too late, i'm afraid - at this point i just assume that we have a diverging aesthetic and don't put myself through the trouble. i have agreed to disagree with the man, i guess is what i am trying to say.

i dunno if i agree completely on the question of remakes, one could make the case that for ever "planet of the apes" there's an "ocean's eleven" or "battlestar galactica" where the remake actually tops the original...

...what i wonder is this, considering that you have done several versions of batman and other classic characters, would you consider those remakes? or does the fact that there is a steady stream of narrative featuring those characters (unlike there only being two wonka movies) make it more of a part of a larger whole where, every once in a while, the work of a creator (or group thereof) make something truly definitive? i'm curious about your opinion on that, and how it informs your approach to the material.

[info]kingofbreakfast

July 25 2005, 19:16:53 UTC 6 years ago

Hey Jen,

Everyone else was having fun, so I decided to jump in the pool, too. :)

Paul

[info]pulsejenc

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[info]tomreedtoon

July 25 2005, 19:27:09 UTC 6 years ago

Your opinion: is Wonka really Michael Jackson?

This is currently the biggest conversation about this film. (Which I just can't bring myself to see in theatres; I'll wait until it hits HBO.) Fancy costumes, hanging around children, absolutely white face, a playground residence...that, more than anything else, creeps me out.

Now, I don't think the filmmakers sat down and said "Let's do Jacko!" But the relationship is hard to avoid, and it didn't look like they avoided it.

It's also a nasty turn on the original; basically, like Dahh's other stories, "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" was supposed to teach moral lessons to the little rugrats who were the intended audience. Don't watch too much TV, don't overeat, don't be greedy. From what I've seen, the only moral lesson the movie teaches is that no adult can ever be trusted (again, a good lesson vis-a-vis Jackson).

[info]kingofbreakfast

July 25 2005, 19:48:01 UTC 6 years ago

Re: Your opinion: is Wonka really Michael Jackson?


There's some Michael Jackson in there sure, I think parallels are unavoidable, whether Burton and Depp meant them or not. But unlike Jackson, Wonka doesn't welcome the company of kids. He invites them in only because they have the tickets and because he feels compelled to leave his factory to one. If anything, I'd say Wonka relishes the company of Oompa-Loompas more than ordinary humans, and you can read into that what you will. Personally I didn't find either the male or female Loompas all that appealing, but hey, different strokes.

As far as Depp's look goes, I'd say it's more Marilyn Manson than Jackson. Manson effected a similar style of dress for his recent "Golden Age of the Grotesque" album and tour, and claims to be a big fan of the original "Wonka" movie. Also, Depp and Manson are said to be friends, so it's likely Depp borrowed a bit from him just as he borrowed from his other pal Keith Richards when crafting his character Capt. Jack Sparrow for "Pirates of the Caribbean."

I think modern movie makers are afraid to try and teach lessons of good behavior to kids. After all, they need kids to pay for tickets and popcorn and if the mutants feel they're being preached to, they may give "C&TCF" the F.U. and go see "Sith" again. Therefore Charlie has to be all-knowing and Wonka is the one who has to learn the pat, unoffensive lesson that "family is good."

[info]february_sea

July 25 2005, 19:35:05 UTC 6 years ago

*crash-lands*

Hello. :)

I quite agree with your comments on the new movie--Johnny Depp, for all his talent, is definitely not playing the part at all as portrayed in Dahl's book.

The book character is described as someone who looks very clever, who looks sharp and quick and full of life, and he greets (and subsequently interacts with) the five children with great excitement and openness. (His age seems a bit more open-ended: the book character does have a black goatee, so I'd be more inclined to place him on the younger side, but that's pretty immaterial, really.)

The thing I found most disturbing was the movie Wonka's overt hostility toward the children (his responses of "I don't care" and "What makes you think that that's possibly important?" go pretty far beyond the tongue in cheek insults in the book (or the Wilder movie), where the observations, cheerily offered, are so effective because despite their delivery, they are all too true.

In short...weird movie. But then...we're talking Tim Burton and Johnny Depp as a one-two combination...you sort of have to expect 'weird'.

Er. Going, now. :)

[info]kingofbreakfast

July 25 2005, 20:29:09 UTC 6 years ago


Hmm. I can see I'll have to reread the book to refresh myself on Wonka's appearance as per Dahl. Like I said, I was basing my memory of Wonka on his waxwork statue, and the illustrations from the first edition of the book which I read ages ago. Quentin Blake's more recent illustrations, great as they are, make everyone look sort of old.

I agree that Depp's Wonka was too cold and dismissive of the kids. If anything a Wonka who pretends to love and dote on kids and still "accidentally" allows them to come to misfortune in his factory might have been more what Dahl had in mind.

[info]linworkman

July 26 2005, 16:04:14 UTC 6 years ago

Really Wonky

I haven't seen C&TCF, and will probably wait to rent or catch on cable. Not much on remakes lately. War Of The Worlds had some cool moments, but I still walked out thinking, "Did I like that or not..?"

Anyway, reading the comments on Tim Burton and the Batman staements I have to share something I heard at work yesterday. Two co-workers were talking about Batman Begins. One said to the other, "The Joker wans't in it. I hate it when Hollywood messes with a character's origin. How can you show Batman being created without the Joker killing his parents? Why couldn't they do it right like in the Tim Burton one?! I need to write DC and tell them to stop #*@$ing with their characters!"

I had to just sit there and bite my lip...and try not to laugh too loud! The sad part is, most of my non-comic fan friends think the '89 movie IS Batman.

[info]linworkman

6 years ago

Anonymous

July 26 2005, 19:34:27 UTC 6 years ago

The right actor for Wonka

I agree with your assessment of the new movie. I was really turned off when Depp was cast because I don't consider him at all right for the part. Wonka should look at least middle-aged if not older. Personally I think Gene Wilder could have done the role even better now that he is older.

I don't know how seriously Christopher Walken was considered for the role but I also think he has the perfect qualties, age, and eccentricity to pull it off. I had hopes that Burton was really trying to make a faithful adaption of the book when Walken was mention but everything crashed for me when Depp was cast. Hell, Christopher LEE would have made a better Wonka.

That's a shame too because most of the casting worked for me.

Anonymous

July 26 2005, 19:35:18 UTC 6 years ago

The right actor for Wonka

I agree with your assessment of the new movie. I was really turned off when Depp was cast because I don't consider him at all right for the part. Wonka should look at least middle-aged if not older. Personally I think Gene Wilder could have done the role even better now that he is older.

I don't know how seriously Christopher Walken was considered for the role but I also think he has the perfect qualties, age, and eccentricity to pull it off. I had hopes that Burton was really trying to make a faithful adaption of the book when Walken was mention but everything crashed for me when Depp was cast. Hell, Christopher LEE would have made a better Wonka.

That's a shame too because most of the casting worked for me. Maybe someone else will get it right 30 more years from now.

[info]jbacardi

July 27 2005, 19:05:25 UTC 6 years ago

Everyone who is thinking about viewing this film should read this first. You are absolutely right on the money, so to speak.

Actually, I was considering seeing it last week, and stopped in at a Wal-Mart to buy something (forget what it was)...and kept hearing an incessant minor-key "la la la la" melody which was an ad for the Wonka video game that was playing on the TV's they have all over the store. It was the same kind of hyperactive, by-now-cliched Elfman music that he's written since Pee-Wee's Big Adventure", and after about ten minutes of it I was ready to jam pencils in my ears to make it stop. It was then that I knew that this remake was not for me.

Burton seems to see everything and understand nothing in his zeal to bend everything into the shape of his imitation-Gorey aesthetic, and while I'll cop to liking Big Fish, I've been extremely disappointed in everything else he's done since Beetlejuice. Ed Wood was OK, but mostly for Landau as Bela Lugosi and not because it was some sort of "biography", which it wasn't.

Great post, Paul.

[info]kingofbreakfast

July 27 2005, 19:53:49 UTC 6 years ago


I'll always have a certain fondness for "Scissorhands" and "Ed Wood." Landau's reading of "No one geeves two fucks for Bela" still puts me on the floor. Since Burton became the go-to guy for weirdo remakes I've lost a lot of interest in his work.

I maintain that Elfman's early scores were successes largely due to the arrangements and orchestrations of Shirley Walker. She's the reason B:TAS and SUPERMAN always sounded so good.

Nice to have you drop by, Mr. Bacardi!

[info]jbacardi

July 28 2005, 02:54:10 UTC 6 years ago

The pleasure's all mine! I look forward to checking your site out, O King!

Interesting to know that about Shirley Walker...I hadn't read the credits that closely.

[info]apothecaries

July 29 2005, 17:59:46 UTC 6 years ago

I think the only thing that saved me from crying during Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was Johnny Depp. And that is only because I like him.

I gave up on Burton after Ed Wood. But like an idiot I keep going to see his films. I'm human, what can I say -_-

I hope you do not mind but I have added you, I am Courtney. There, now I don't feel as intruding :p

[info]kingofbreakfast

August 15 2005, 19:53:30 UTC 6 years ago


Happy to have you here, Courtney.

I will see Corpse Bride because at best it looks like fun, at worst, like another limp feature length toon, and I usually have see those, anyway.
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